This happened.
Posted: October 9, 2012 Filed under: Uncategorized 15 Comments »I’ve spent a lot of time thinking about how to handle this issue in a way that’ll both serve other women and, at the same time, honor my own needs. I decided to post without naming names for two reasons: (1) to report an incident of sexual harassment publicly, on principle, to demonstrate what it looks like, how it causes harm, and how even a woman as “aware” as I am didn’t recognize it and tried to excuse it at first; and (2) to ask whether anyone has experienced something similar with a man who fits the below description, and if so, to get in touch with me, in case you’d like me to report it to his superiors along with my own account.
A month ago I met with a prominent science editor and blogger. He’d friended me on Facebook, and given his high profile, I was delighted, thinking he was interested in my writing. I sent him a link to my latest piece in the Independent Weekly and invited him to coffee. We met at a cafe in Chapel Hill, where I gave him another clip, this one about science and playwriting.
From the beginning, it was a difficult interaction on my end. Thinking this was a business meeting, I tried to tell him about my background and interests, but he seemed mainly interested in telling me about himself, and my input was mostly reduced to reactive responses like “wow” and “that’s so cool” and “that’s so neat.” I managed to mention that I used to write a column for The MIT Tech called “I Did It For Science,” where I did weird activities like getting my tarot read, visiting a strip club on a Tuesday afternoon, and doing MRIs for the neuroscience department. He began describing his own experience of going to a strip club. Then he described himself as “a very sexual person.” Then he told me about his wife’s sexual and mental health history. Then he began telling me about his dissatisfaction with his current sex life with his wife. Then he reminded me that he was “a very sexual person.” Then he told me, in an awful lot of detail, about how he almost had an affair with a younger woman he’d been seeing at conferences—how they’d met, how it escalated, how “close they’d come.”
None of these topics were invited by me. I tried to listen politely and nod when he paused, but otherwise not engage or encourage him. He seemed not to notice how uncomfortable I was. I was trying to mitigate the situation as it was unfolding—which I later read is a common immediate response to trauma, trying to minimize it or pretend it didn’t happen. In my head, I told myself that I could still write for him, as long as I didn’t meet with him in person ever again. At the end of the meeting, I hugged him, which may seem bizarre; but earlier he’d identified himself as a “hugging person” and so do I, generally, and I was still in shock and trying to smooth over the incident.
Later that day, I received a casual message from him on Facebook, saying that it’d been “great” to meet me and that he had “no idea how the convo veered into sex, but heck, why not.” This made me furious. The conversation had gone that way because he’d very deliberately led it there, and kept it there, despite my non-response. Still on autopilot, I sent him some of my old clips, still thinking I should pretend nothing was wrong and salvage the working relationship. But over the course of the next week, after talking to friends, I realized how upset the incident had made me. So instead of pitching him, I wrote him the following letter:
Hi [ ],
I hope you’re well! I see that you’re on a plane to New York, and I hope you have a good time there.
Since meeting, I’ve felt a lot of reluctance about pitching to you, and I wanted to let you know why. I felt very uncomfortable during our meeting last week. The talk veered towards sex because you led it there—first describing yourself as a “very sexual person,” and then going on to describe your wife’s sexual history (which I can’t imagine she’d want me to know), the state of your present sex life, and the near-affair you had with a younger woman. I thought all of these topics were incredibly inappropriate to discuss with someone you’d just met, especially one who was interested in working together in a professional capacity and had initiated the meeting as such. Why didn’t I say anything in the moment? Because I wanted to write for [redacted], and you held power insofar as whether or not that would happen (and still do). I was particularly upset that, despite other indications that you’re aware of the difficulties women face in terms of harassment, that you didn’t seem to be aware that your behavior towards me was part of that same problem. So I’m letting you know.
Thank you for reading.
Monica Byrne
I waited four days and received no reply. So I sent another message:
Hi [ ],
I know you’ve been at a conference this week, but I’d appreciate it if you could at least indicate that you intend to respond to this.
Best,
Monica
Seven days after that, I received a note of apology. I didn’t ask his permission to post it, so I’ll just paraphrase: he said he’d been very busy recently, but that he was very sorry, and that he’d been in the midst of a “personal crisis” at the time, which was now “happily resolved.”
I did appreciate the note, to some degree. Especially the clear admission that he did something wrong.
But, surprise, this is far from the first time I’ve been on the receiving end of sexual harassment from an older man in a position of power, and in my experience, offenders are often serial offenders. Apparently abject apologies, and claims that “you’re the only one,” “these are special circumstances” or “this is the only time this has happened,” have often proven hollow after further investigation. Recently there’ve been blowups in the spec lit community, the atheist community, and now the theatre community over behavior like this. In many cases, it seems clear that the harasser in question is a known serial harasser, long tolerated by his community because of his status or reputation.
In this case, I honestly don’t know whether this was an isolated incident or not. I’ve decided to give him the benefit of the doubt, which is why I’m not naming him publicly at this time; but as I said before, I would like to hear from anyone who’s experienced something similar to what I’ve described above with someone who fits the above description: a high-profile science blogger and editor. I did report the incident to his superiors, turning over the above text and all relevant communication, and they were wonderfully responsive and supportive. They’re taking steps to ensure his behavior doesn’t continue.
Career-wise, I’m all right, as science journalism isn’t my principal interest by far. But I thought it was important to speak up for those for whom it is. And for all women who might have been put in this position by this guy—or ever are, by any guy. This is what sexual harassment looks like. If it happens to you, and you’re in a position to speak up, speak up. The more we speak up, the stronger we get.
As for the incident itself, I’m not interested in discussing the topic beyond this post. This is my account. It’s enough. As for the court of public opinion, if responses to this post run along the lines of questioning my character, integrity, motives, history, body, looks, or making blacklist threats or death threats or rape threats, well, have fun. I won’t be reading or responding, because I have a truly wonderful life to get back to. Truth hath a quiet breast.
Thanks for reading.

Something uncomfortably similar to this just happened to me with someone I respected greatly. Someone I’d hoped I could learn from. He’s a fairly high profile director, I’m an actress. He suggested we meet for breakfast to discuss theatre and some projects I could work on. The subject kept going to sex no matter how many times I tried to keep it on theatre. Finally, he started getting physical and my first thought sadly was not to put him in his place, but to keep his hands and slimy conversation off of me in a way that didn’t piss him off. I finally excused myself and left, feeling fairly crummy for a few days. He invited me to assist him again and I declined, never saying why. What is this odd dynamic between the sexes and why are men so often condition to initiate this while women seem so often conditioned to endure it?
I am so sorry that happened. It’s especially disappointing when the person is someone you respect and admire. And it doesn’t seem like this is the first time he’s done this. Is there anyone you can report this incident to?–privately, and/or in a way that takes care of yourself? Get in touch if you’d like to discuss it more. I want these people OUT of my community.
It took me a long time to realize this kind of event occurring regularly in my life – not necessarily with someone of a higher position that I admired – but with boys/men of various positions in my life. There was one particular incident with a professor that was extremely uncomfortable and very much like what you experienced. I wish I had your notion to stand up for myself, but instead, I ignored it. I avoided him and put myself on alert. It made for an extremely difficult semester – especially because I worked with his wife. I had no idea how to handle the situation and tried to pretend it didn’t happen. I came extremely close to changing careers within months of graduating.
I am glad you took the appropriate steps to bring his behavior to light. It isn’t easy to do that. I had done that at one point during my teenage years – not actually on purpose – had it not been for a friend, I probably would have ignored it. But the aftermath was difficult as well. I wasn’t treated as much like a victim as you would think. The person in charge of counseling me made a mess of the messages he/she was sending me and I ended up feeling very bad about myself for a long time.
If any of these experiences would help you with your writing, let me know. There are so many facets to these situations – the before, the during, the after. The emotions of dealing with it appropriately and those of not actually dealing with it at all.
I am sorry you ran into a jackass in cool-person clothing.
Thank you so much, Christina. And I’m so sorry those things happened.
I actually feel incredibly supported by everyone who’s important to me (counselor included!), for which I feel very grateful. (And anyone who doesn’t support me in this is de facto not important to me. Funny how that works.) That’s why I feel like I’m in a good position to speak up and demonstrate what it looks like. This kind of thing happens ALL THE TIME, and it has profound effects on the victims’ lives that are almost always invisible to the abuser, and often to the victim, too, until years later.
* hug *
I feel sad, too, for the wife who now knows her husband is discussing her in public.
Indeed. And that’s one reason I chose not to name him, to protect her privacy.
Bleh
This makes me unhappy. I’m sorry this happened to you
I’ve experienced this kind of stuff on a smaller scale. As a newbie lawyer in private practice, your superiors really hammer getting yourself out there, networking, making business contacts, etc. so you can eventually start building your own book of business. I’ve tried to do this whenever I go to events where other lawyers will be. Unfortunately, I have 0 legitimate male contacts. This is because ALL of the male lawyers who have taken my card and shown interest in staying in contact have veered toward sex in some way or other, even though my interactions with them had been purely business with the intent to keep things along a friendly/professional track. Long story short, there was one that ended up sending me this email that made me want to vomit (describing some kind of fictional scenario about him following me around Target and how he’s SO not into my body type but there was something about me that caught his eye and blah blah blah) (how many levels of wtf is that?)…… never spoke to him again, despite numerous apology emails that he sent me for months afterward…… There was another that I was trying to set up work lunches with because he is general counsel for a branch of a very large company and could potential send work to my law firm…… but when I tried to set up lunch meetings he’d be like, “Sure, if you wear those hottt boots.” I remember making some comment to try to shut that line of thinking down, and when we met next (yes, ‘cos for some reason I still met with him (hey business is business
)) I deliberately wore the least “hottt” shoes I owned. And it went nowhere. Now he’s GC for TWO departments of this very large company, and texts me from time to time but it’s clear he doesn’t see me as a professional. He’s not interested in normal lunches or meeting in other business settings like professional people do, but he’s “open to other ideas” and wants me to be “creative.”
The gross email was years ago, and the GC hasn’t done anything that would really do me any good to report, but it just sucks. The primary offense isn’t that he texted me to wear my hottt boots, it’s that for whatever reason (and not because I flirted or did anything to suggest I wanted an unprofessional relationship with him), he doesn’t see me as a lawyer, but rather a young piece of ass. What can I do about that? He might just as easily not be professionally interested in some young male lawyer, but he probably wouldn’t tell that guy to wear his cute loafers and strip him of his business persona. I feel like I’ll never know if I could have crossed that hurdle into legitimate-lawyer-land if he didn’t see me as Hottt Boots first.
Uggghhhh! Eileen, I’m so sorry about that. And I wouldn’t call it “a smaller scale”—I’d call that flat-out legitimate sexual harassment, in both cases. I don’t understand what they think they’re going to get out of it. What would it cost them to simply NOT say those things?
I wish we could report every incident. There are so many more I could report, off the top of my head, and I’m beginning to feel like every time I don’t report, it’s enabling the behavior to continue, both in the individual and in society at large. That’s a lot of pressure to put on myself, and on women in general, as it’s not our damn fault in the first place.
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Yup, I’ve been there too. Soon after I graduated from college, I stage managed for a high school theater director (who had taught me when I was in high school). The director would often ask me to stay and chat after rehearsals, giving me career advice, and contacts for future jobs. He was encouraging and responsive, and I took that as a testament to my work. Oh, silly young me. Within two weeks, he asked me to drive with him around town to buy set pieces from furniture warehouses (why he wanted a skinny, spindly armed girl along to help lift enormous furniture pieces, I wasn’t sure, but I went). This errand that I shouldn’t even have had to be on became an 8-hour date, which I finally ended by turning down his offer to buy me dinner and asking him to please take me home. While he was driving me to my parents’ house, he told me all about his failed marriage, his lacking sex life, and that he was “very attracted to me,” and that he has been ever since he taught me back in high school. I was terrified and disgusted, and murmured something noncommittal as I stared out the window, trying to squeeze myself as far away from him as possible and wondering how badly injured I’d get if I jumped out of a truck going 70mph. He did bring me home without touching me, thank god, and I lied and told him my parents were in the house, then bolted. I felt like shit. Until it happens to you, you don’t understand why people make such a big deal out of sexual harassment, but when you’re on the receiving end, it’s very clear why. You feel powerless and dirty. You feel like you handled it badly, however you handled it. You feel like you sent some signals that caused him to say those things to you, that you “asked for it.” You feel like an idiot for thinking that anyone could think you’re good at your job, of course they just want to fuck you, and any success you have will be because you’re eye candy to the guy hiring you. My mom’s reaction didn’t help…when I told her, she said “Yeah, when you got the job I thought that might have been what he was after.” Like it couldn’t possibly be that I was smart, or worked hard, or knew my stuff.
I thought about quitting the job, but I liked the kids a lot, and needed the money, so I went back to rehearsal the next day. After rehearsal I went into his office and told him “What you said in the car was inappropriate, and it made me incredibly uncomfortable. If I’m going to continue to work here, I need you to agree to never speak to me in a sexual way ever again, and I will not be staying after rehearsals or meeting with you outside rehearsals for any reason. If you don’t adhere to those requests, I’ll call the administration of this school and the parents of every student in this production and tell them what you said to me.” He apologized.
At the time I thought it was a pretty good response to the situation. Now, I think I should have reported it to the administration regardless of his apology and promise to leave me alone. This behavior is unacceptable, and it’s important to send that message loud and clear, all the way to the top of the institutions that hire these people.
Oh wow, Anita. I’m so sorry.
And yeah, have compassion for your past self—it WAS a good response to the situation, even if you’d do something different now. And I sympathize, too, with needing the money. As a freelancer, now, I’m in the position of needing money and that being a part of the equation. Interesting waters we’re navigating.
Thank you for sharing this story.
I remember a long time ago when I first got into the workforce during high school (fast food restaurant). I worked the evening shift under a male manager with a few other men and women on the crew. One night, as we were cleaning up after close, one of the other women and I got into a conversation about sex. She was talking about things with the voice of authority, and I made the comment that I no experience in which to discuss the subject. Understand, I had no problem with the conversation, even when a few of the guys (including the manager) joined in with some comments. We were all (almost) adults and were just being frank with each other. I went home that night not thinking anything about it.
A few nights (or weeks) later, my manager’s car broke down and his girlfriend couldn’t come pick him up, so he asked me for a right back to his apartment. I said sure and drove him home. As I pulled into the parking lot, he proceed to inform me that he and his girlfriend had an open relationship and if I wanted to be “educated” he’d be more than willing to “assist”. He didn’t touch me, but he made it very clear he wanted to have sex with me. At the time, I was under eighteen and he was in his early twenties. I don’t remember how I replied, but I’m pretty sure it was some non-committal nonsense to get him out of my car.
After that, I felt very uncomfortable being within five feet of him anytime we worked together. A few months later, I quit. I told myself that it was because I kept not getting the promotion I wanted. But an older and wiser me looks back on that situation and recognizes it for what it was. Not just harassment, but totally inappropriate behavior on behalf of a supervisor towards an subordinate. I wish I knew then what I knew now and had thought to report him … I was so embarrassed by the incident, I never even told my parents.
This is still a bit of a sore subject for me and the first time I’ve ever addressed it in a public forum, so forgive me for retaining a little bit of autonomy by changing my name on this comment.
No forgiveness necessary. Thank you so much for sharing this story. And I’m really sorry that it happened.
Yeah, after reading all these stories, I’m retroactively examining past work relationships that I “let go,” and exactly why I did so. Sometimes it’s because of a sexual comment that I even recognized as outrageous at the time, but then sublimated. But, like all things we sublimate…they come out anyhow.
I have had a few experiences with sexual harassment that I should have done something about early in my career coming out of Wellesley. Both were at institutions of higher education. I was kind of confused as to what I should do. So, I did nothing and I brushed it off and tried to not think about it. I wish there was something I could have spoke with about this or even this kind of blog to help explain what was happening so I could better understand how to defend myself and react.
Yeah, I hear you. I wonder whether Wellesley (and other colleges, but it seems like women’s colleges should be on top of this) should provide training on how to react to these kinds of situations. If only training had been provided to the men, long ago, never to put young women in them in the first place…